I shared a YouTube clip with Ben entitled, 'The Trail of Tears - They Knew it was Wrong,' which stated a historian's perspective that it shouldn't have happened. People at the time knew that it was wrong, that it was illegal, and that it was unconstitutional, but they did it anyway. In this video, historian Amy Sturgis explained why the forced removal of the Cherokee Nation to "Indian Territory" (modern-day Oklahoma) was wrong on both moral and legal grounds. We discussed how the Trail of Tears provides lessons to us today and that we can't just look aside and ignore it as an example of something that was just part of the mid-19th century mindset. It is a story about how a group that had power gained at the expense of a minority unable to defend itself. As Ben has stated that he prefers hearing the 'real story' of events and not just the 'whitewashed version,' I shared this clip with him to address how the Trail of Tears set precedents we can only hope to avoid repeating. Ben was interested but stated he already agrees this perspective.